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Dr Fonseca, as always, I love reading your posts. I am very glad that cilta-cel is available for first relapse, and there are many patients for whom I believe the benefits clearly outweigh the risks. I will offer five key respectful rebuttals to some of your points above though. All in the spirit of good debate and discussion.

1. Is the 30% progression-free survival (PFS) at 5 years a mirage or reality? Historically, these results from clinical trials have not translated well to real-world data. The MAIA trial of dara/len/dex in newly diagnosed myeloma is a stark reminder—a PFS exceeding 5 years in the clinical trial but only 2-3 years in the real world. Censoring, progression adjudication in trials, patient selection bias, focusing only on intent-to-treat analysis and many other reasons make me think that we are extremely unlikely to see 30% PFS at 5 years in the real world, and to quote this to patients is setting up wrong expectations. I do think that a certain minority (10%, 15%?) will benefit to this exceptional degree, and that in itself is a reason to celebrate for such a heavily pre-treated population.

2. I respect greatly your work on attrition. However, the fundamental argument that undercuts attrition with respect to CAR-T comes from two key observations. In newly diagnosed myeloma trials, PFS1 has often not correlated well with OS, likely because patients can go on to get good treatments in the future. If attrition = death or immense morbidity, we would at least see PFS1 correlate with OS. Talking specifically about CAR-T, the randomized trial for ide-cel (KarMMa-3) showed no overall survival benefit despite a compelling PFS benefit because they allowed for crossover, and the patients in the control arm got ide-cel later. As a result, one way of interpreting the study from an overall survival perspective is that early ide-cel = later ide-cel. We cannot make such conclusions about cilta-cel, because unfairly Janssen did not allow crossover in their study. Nevertheless, the attrition argument is severely weakened given that many patients in the control arm of KarMMa-3 went on to receive CAR-T and ultimately achieve comparable overall survival.

3. The toxicity of cilta-cel is probably worse than we think it is, in part because we are just now recognizing toxicities and paying more attention, and these toxicities may not have been noticed earlier. The real-world study that you quoted with a 2% Parkinson's rate also showed other toxicities including cranial nerve palsy in 11 patients (5%), diplopia in 4 (2%), posterior reversible encephalopathy syndrome (PRES) in 2, dysautonomia in 1 patient, and polyneuropathy in 1 patient. Furthermore, neurological toxicity may not be completely averted by giving in an earlier line—it sure appears that T-cell expansion is robust in patients that are less heavily pre-treated!, and neurological toxicities have been seen even in less heavily pre-treated cohorts of patients (https://ash.confex.com/ash/2024/webprogram/Paper201783.html)

4. Many patients I see in clinic today may choose to defer a toxic CAR-T product today, with the hope of a safer (but still effective) CAR-T product in the future. This remains to be seen and perhaps is wishful thinking, but I do think a safer CAR-T product in the future will change the paradigm and lead to broader acceptance.

5. Many patients relapse today who are sensitive to both daratumumab and lenalidomide. Long-term data from the POLLUX trial (median PFS 44.5 months) is very reassuring, and toxicity is much more predictable than cilta-cel. Such a group of patients very clearly may benefit more from a simpler and safer regimen, even if it does require much more treatment compared to a one-and-done CAR-T. On a side note, the one-and-done nature of CAR-T can be debated given ongoing care needed afterwards, such as infection prophylaxis, managing of blood counts, etc.

So overall, I am very thankful to have CAR-T available at first relapse. There are many patients who are clearly great candidates for it, and there are many patients who after a thorough discussion of risks/benefits wish to proceed. I am all for them having access to it. However, as discussed above there are many reasons to be cautious with universally recommending it at first relapse.

And lastly—thank you for sharing your thoughts and respectfully allowing me to share mine. I remain a great fan of all you do, and look up to you as an inspiration.

Manni

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